Subject: Re: hashtable w/o keys stored... From: Erik Naggum <erik@naggum.no> Date: 1999/01/16 Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp Message-ID: <3125483307617359@naggum.no> * Barry Margolin <barmar@bbnplanet.com> | What I see there is someone making a realization about the language, and | relating it to what he already knows. A light bulb went off above his | head, he learned something. This is something to be applauded! But even | when someone demonstrates that they're starting to "get it" you knock | them down because they have the nerve to use another language's | terminology in describing it. you're amazingly forgiving with everybody else, Barry. I wonder what's _really_ your concern with your incredible insistence on projecting evilness that isn't there onto me all the time. again, it seems like a mission from a God to strike blindly at whatever looks bad, never mind what it is. this time, you make another one of your amazingly stupid generalizations. I guess either people are bad or they are good in your eyes, and you'll do _everything_ to maintain your mental images: since I'm bad in your eyes, you see nothing but the bad you want to see, and since doofuses are good, you see nothing but the good you want to see. I'm trying _real_ hard to figure you out. it isn't easy. every time I think I have something, you do something amazingly contradictory, like this time, when you suddenly switch from your modus operandi of using the past to attack me ever more forcefully, to arguing that _threads_ are to be kept _entirely_ separate, obviously because that serves your need right now, but still. the constant element appears to be to attack me and defend doofuses, no matter what anybody actually _does_. here's what I wrote, to refresh your memory: | I guess this is how all methods in CLOS are virtual. you're being carelessly lazy, yet you don't appear to see it. ... what's the context here? I had already talked about constructive vs careless lazy, and he's made a point out of being the laziest programmer he knows. you wish to see a light bulb that isn't there, I see another carelessness. I want hard evidence that somebody has stopped doing stuff I have already pointed out. you'll settle for a vision. yet, when it comes to judging me, you'll also settle for a vision of something you don't like, and proceed without caution. | If you can't even keep straight what you're flaming about, maybe you | should slow down a bit. I'm sorry I was tricked by your sudden switch to keep the contexts of separate threads separate, because you have never done so before. you see, there is nothing in what you write to make anyone realize you are such a champion of suspending all knowledge from previous threads (or languages) and behave as if every thread (or language) is new, at least until you know that you can compare them. it has indeed appeared as though you think it is morally right to maintain a strong memory of other threads (or experiences in general) when you react to what _I_ do. it is manifestly _not_ enough to start a new thread for you to treat me differently, and it is manifestly _not_ enough for you to limit yourself to what you see -- your _insistence_ on vile generalizations about my character is the only thing that is unchanging about what you write in our exchanges. what's a man to beleive about you? when you want to, however, it is obviously your right to change your attitude _completely_ and do what I have suggested about learning stuff, which you have consistently refused to listen to and have ridiculed on many an occasion: judge something for what it is there and then, instead of remembering the invalid past. you have previously been so strongly opposed to the very concept of delaying judgment that one must wonder what has suddenly possessed you. perhaps what I have asked you to do for the longest time only suddenly appeared to be the best option to attack me, and so you used it, without even realizing what you were getting yourself into. you have been the strongest champion of remembering the invalid past so long it's going to take me a while to really believe that you have finally turned around and see the value of suspending memory to better learn something that differs from the past. so far, it has seemed that what you have really been after is attacking me, not for what I do, but for who you want to portray me as being. that has pissed me off. I'm not ready to believe there's a light bulb over your head, though -- this experience appears more to contradict your actual position than to be an instance of learning. I'd like some hard evidence that you will stop using your mental image and your incredibly persistent willingness to portray the evilness you somehow need to think I possess onto me and indeed do as you strongly imply is now the _only_ good thing: keep the threads separate. however, I don't react to anything you don't do, so if you manage to keep your threads separate and your willingness to generalize about me in check, _I_ have no reason to remember your disgusting moralization and hypocritical, self-contradictory behavioral patterns and self-serving reversals of your positions. I let stuff be until it comes up again. #:Erik