Subject: Re: CLL statistics for 2002 (was: Looking for Lisp compiler) From: Erik Naggum <erik@naggum.no> Date: 30 Dec 2002 16:49:13 +0000 Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp Message-ID: <3250255753045856@naggum.no> * Oleg <oleg_inconnu@myrealbox.com> | I agree with you and Richard Fateman, who started a thread about | this a couple of months ago, that CLL is quite uncivilized. Why it | is so is a mystery. Suppose people suddenly became friendly in comp.lang.lisp. Would you be able to notice it or would you still project animosity and hostility onto others so you could have an excuse to keep hating? Do you trouble-starters have any concept of personal responsibility or any idea of your ability to /change/ the climate by shutting up? This forum is uncivilized because uncivilized people think it is OK to be uncivilized here. If you really want to know, ask "wni" why he felt no compunctions about posting /his/ hostility. Normal and well-adjusted people have an element of restraint that he and those like him lack, and which furthermore means that their indignation is not only everybody's business, but that telling them to curtail /their/ abuse of this forum is grounds for further indignation. If anyone still objects to my characterization of these people by their rightful name: morons, please explain why what they do is not utterly devoid of every symptom of intelligence. Get rid of the people who believe this forum exists to share their opinions on how well the forum functions, and it /will/ function. The solution is pretty simple: Stay focused on what you believe the forum should be about; exhibit concentration and goal-directedness; exercise restraint; demonstrate your ability to act in accordance with your own convictions regarding behavior in public; apply your intelligence and stop doing things that exacerbate the situations you do not desire and do things that would ameliorate it instead; realize that if you cannot do it yourself, demanding it of others is not only morally bankrupt, it demonstrates that the purpose of the demands is to make someone the fall guy instead of accepting responsibility for one's own behavior, so it can be improved -- all they actually want is to blame someone for their own shortcomings, and they should not be surprised that the fall guy objects to this unjustness. Clean up your own act and show the world that /you/ can behave, and all the problems will simply go away on their own. -- Erik Naggum, Oslo, Norway Act from reason, and failure makes you rethink and study harder. Act from faith, and failure makes you blame someone and push harder.