Ken Tilton  <kentilton@gmail.com> wrote:
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| <sigh> I was going to refer you to 
| http://wiki.alu.org/The_Road_to_Lisp_Survey but it remains a moribund 
| URL, I must suppose because the wikiware behind it is yobboware.
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Well, for what it's worth, that URL certainly seems to be working
at the moment. No, wait a minute, it took two tries to get
<http://wiki.alu.org/Kenny's_RtLS_Top-Ten> to come up.
And now <http://wiki.alu.org/The_RtLS_by_Road> isn't responding
at all... And now the whole thing is hosed again. (*sigh*)

Oops! Wait, now it's back!  (*sigh^2*)

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| Is there some reason the Lisp community cannot do something about that, 
| including using a C or Python wikiware because in the end if we just do 
| not have the chops do to a wiki should we really be advertising our 
| incomptence on our own frickin billboard?
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Yes, well. I have been having words with the maintainer about that
recently, since *my* Lisp-based web "yobboware" doesn't have anything
*like* the same amount of downtime. [The only time my web apps go down
is when the colo sysadmins bounce the system out from underneath them.]
But then again, I'm not running the ALU wiki on it, either, so who knows
if it would start falling over too if put under the same load.

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| Ok, I confess, the self-suicidal quality of that does have a
| certain charm given Lisp's history, which I can summarize as
| an incredible brilliance from clearly interplanetary alien
| John McCarthy being resoundingly unlived up to by the amphibians
| who have inherited it. </sigh>
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Yes, well, given McCarthy's ILC'05 talk, the term "disinherited"
may also apply...  ;-}  ;-}


-Rob

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