Subject: Re: printing money in C++ and in Common Lisp From: Erik Naggum <cl@naggum.no> Date: 1998/05/08 Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp Message-ID: <3103594850407383@naggum.no> * Nathan Myers | If you thought otherwise, the joke is on you. finally a _conditional_ flame. that's actually quite some progress. I'm delighted to deny the premise, so the consequent does not follow. might the joke be on you, instead? | > BTW, please stop sending your infantile flames by mail, Nathan. you've | > made your point, such as it is. next time, try _communication skills_. | | The "flames" were simply repeating back to Erik one line from each | of his messages to me, such as: oh, I see, you have to take this all the way out, now. that's mature. since you start posting private communication and strongly imply that I sent you the first message, which I didn't, let's show the good people in this newsgroup what you found in your heart to mail me and with what, exactly, I responded. I _really_ resent liars, especially the kind of scum who try to blame others for their own dysfunctional behavior, so here's the complete exchange, for whoever cares. I want to point out that Nathan Myers has _chosen_ his destructive behavior towards me in the face of polite requests for something else from his side, and _that_ is all the evidence I have needed to judge his character. those who open a dialog by mail with me are constructive with very few exceptions, and I make a strong point out of trying to reach an individual, thinking, human being when _I_ mail people instead of posting an article in a newsgroup, where a lot of other purposes are involved. (I also try to keep mail and news entirely separate for this reason.) this is cut straight out of the raw mail archive, but people here can probably handle the slightly unusual format... ((mail-archive-version . 4) (envelope (from . "ncm@cantrip.org") (to . "clerik") (time . "3103563920")) (headers (return-path . "<ncm@cantrip.org>") (received . "from cygnus.com (runyon.cygnus.com) by naggum.no with SMTP id <AA07445> for <clerik@naggum.no>; Thu, 7 May 1998 21:05:08 UT") (received . "from mill (mill.cygnus.com [205.180.231.180]) by runyon.cygnus.com (8.8.7-cygnus/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA17838 for <clerik@naggum.no>; Thu, 7 May 1998 14:05:00 -0700 (PDT)") (received . "by mill id m0yXXtF-00009FC (Debian Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #2); Thu, 7 May 1998 14:07:41 -0700 (PDT)") (message-id . "<m0yXXtF-00009FC@mill>") (date . "Thu, 7 May 1998 14:07:41 -0700 (PDT)") (from . "ncm@cantrip.org (Nathan Myers)") (to . "clerik@naggum.no") (subject . "money & power")) (body "" "You wrote: " "> OK, so what _is_ wrong with this picture? object-orientation, C++ style." "> _that's_ wrong. the article was worth reading to see how fundamentally" "> screwed-up C++ _people_ are, too." "" "With all due respect, you really don't know what the hell you're " "talking about." "" "> P.J.Plauger himself laments the tall costs. I can only concur." "" "Finding yourself in agreement with Plauger should set off very" "loud alarm bells. This column of his was a polemical piece" "intended to trick people who have little familiarity with the" "subject matter. He's very good at it. Still, being taken in " "is nothing to be proud of." "" "Nathan Myers" "ncm@cantrip.org" "")) ((mail-archive-version . 4) (envelope (from . "erik@naggum.no") (to . "erik") (time . "3103567964")) (headers (return-path . "<erik@naggum.no>") (received . "by naggum.no id <AA07480> for erik@naggum.no; Thu, 7 May 1998 22:12:41 UT") (date . "07 May 1998 22:12:41 UT") (from . "Erik Naggum <erik@naggum.no>") (organization . "Naggum Software; +47 8800 8879; http://www.naggum.no") (message-id . "<3103567961741390@naggum.no>") (to . "Nathan Myers <ncm@cantrip.org>") (subject . "Re: money & power") (in-reply-to . "<m0yXXtF-00009FC@mill>") (references . "<m0yXXtF-00009FC@mill>")) (body "* Nathan Myers" "| With all due respect, you really don't know what the hell you're talking" "| about." "" " I regret to inform you that I have found no reason to believe that you" " are anything but a pompous asshole. please provide me some evidence that" " you possess intelligence and have something useful to tell me, and we can" " start (not resume) an exchange of ideas. thank you in advance for your" " cooperation in making electronic mail a means of _communication_." "" " should you, however, choose to send me more idiotic flames, I recommend" " that you simply abstain. I'm not interested in hearing from people who" " appear as stupid as you do in your message to me. please show enough" " good taste to respect your _own_ time in not wasting it on more of same." "" "#:Erik")) ((mail-archive-version . 4) (envelope (from . "ncm@shell7.ba.best.com") (to . "erik") (time . "3103578312")) (headers (return-path . "<ncm@shell7.ba.best.com>") (received . "from shell7.ba.best.com by naggum.no with SMTP id <AA08109> for <erik@naggum.no>; Fri, 8 May 1998 01:05:06 UT") (received . "(from ncm@localhost) by shell7.ba.best.com (8.8.8/8.8.BEST) id SAA01651 for erik@naggum.no; Thu, 7 May 1998 18:04:17 -0700 (PDT)") (date . "Thu, 7 May 1998 18:04:17 -0700 (PDT)") (from . "Nathan Myers <ncm@best.com>") (message-id . "<199805080104.SAA01651@shell7.ba.best.com>") (to . "erik@naggum.no") (subject . "Re: money & power") (in-reply-to . "<3103567961741390@naggum.no>")) (body " " "> | With all due respect, you really don't know what the hell you're talking" "> | about." "> " "> I regret to inform you that I have found no reason to believe that you" "> are anything but a pompous asshole. please provide me some evidence that" "> you possess intelligence ..." "" "I regret to inform you that I have found no reason to believe that you" "are anything but a pompous asshole. Period." "" "Nathan Myers" "ncm@cantrip.org" "")) ((mail-archive-version . 4) (envelope (from . "erik@naggum.no") (to . "erik") (time . "3103580873")) (headers (return-path . "<erik@naggum.no>") (received . "by naggum.no id <AA08154> for erik@naggum.no; Fri, 8 May 1998 01:47:51 UT") (date . "08 May 1998 01:47:51 UT") (from . "Erik Naggum <erik@naggum.no>") (organization . "Naggum Software; +47 8800 8879; http://www.naggum.no") (message-id . "<3103580871426257@naggum.no>") (to . "Nathan Myers <ncm@best.com>") (in-reply-to . "<199805080104.SAA01651@shell7.ba.best.com>") (subject . "Re: money & power") (references . "<199805080104.SAA01651@shell7.ba.best.com>")) (body " thank you for your very valuable input in judging your character and for" " proving that had nothing of value to share with me to begin with. it is" " also useful to know that you are precisely the kind of person I would" " expect to defend C++, the language of programmers without any ethics." "" " further \"communication\" of the kind you are obviously limited to provide" " is not desirable here. _please_abstain_ from following your urges." "" "#:Erik")) at this point, I taught my mail system to return mail from Nathan Myers with a User Unknown error. despite my very clear requests to be relieved of his immaturity, one message has been rejected and returned to him. now, it may have been a mistake to reject his mail, since the immature moron apparently doesn't take hints with anything resembling grace. oh, and the obligatory personal advice to Nathan Myers: grow up. when you initiate your contact with somebody by being a rude idiot, you get a certain kind of response. if you had the intelligence to try something else when your chosen venue or rudeness failed, such as beign polite and communicative, you would have received another response. your reactions betray your utter ignorance of this simple property of human psychology. #:Erik, who never saw the virtue of suffering fools -- Support organized crime: use Microsoft products!