Subject: Re: RFC: Lisp/Scheme with less parentheses through Python-like significant indentation? From: Erik Naggum <erik@naggum.net> Date: 2000/08/12 Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp Message-ID: <3175090263313160@naggum.net> * "felix" <felix@anu.ie> | If you mean that the Scheme-standard is full of holes, yep, you're | right with that. The Scheme standard is possibly the single best standard there is, and such as snotty remark as your betrays utter ignorance of its contents. Do yourself a favor, and don't do marketing for Scheme. | But, I think I can very well take some of the most used Scheme | implementations and regard their behaviour as common practice. There is no value at all in discussing them, since if you point out a problem in or with _Scheme_, somewhere, there is an implementation that gets that one problem solved in some way. | No, I'm not talking about the language Scheme as defined in the | standards document, I'm talking about the language Scheme as | implemented, in "real live", as you call it. Some of us like to program to specifications, not just hope it works. | BTW, how many CL implementations adhere *fully*, 100%, to the | Hyperspec? None. They adhere to the standard, ANSI X3.226-1994. | I'm sure every implementation has it's little incompatibilities | (especially in a *huge* language like Common LISP). Arguments from ignorance are _so_ powerful. | Anyway, I think you are right in that the R5RS isn't really that | great. But Scheme (and many of it's implementations) is! ;-) None have said that R5RS isn't great. It really is, as a standard. If you bothered to read it, instead of parroting comments you don't grasp, you would have the possibility of understanding this yourself. The reason Scheme sucks, and it does, is that a beautiful standard is not enough. A necessary condition, but not a sufficient one in any capacity at all. If all the good stuff is extra-standard, the _language_ has serious problems. | (Sorry, I couldn't resist, I just can't stop teasing ;) I wonder who you think you're teasing, flaunting your ignorance. #:Erik -- If this is not what you expected, please alter your expectations.