Subject: Re: the naggum-mine claims another victim From: Erik Naggum <erik@naggum.net> Date: 11 Dec 2000 03:36:41 +0000 Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp Message-ID: <3185494601436805@naggum.net> * Marcus G. Daniels | Tolerance for intolerance will not be sustainable in the long run. You yourself suffer from such an amazing level of intolerance towards me that you should know what you're talking about, but I disagree. It is only in the long run that our ability to deal with other people's different opinions and their deep caring for their values _can_ be sustainable, but accepting that people do care about different things and do _not_ accept that other people trash and denounce their values constitues _respect_ for people. You have the kind of reprehensible personality that is capable of disrespecting people, and you are even proud of that. It is not intolerance, but disrespect for people, that cannot and must not be tolerated. One must at all times maintain extreme intolerance towards disrespect for people, life, and property, and that is just what the legal systems of the Western civilization are designed to do -- the uniformity of these principles across so many cultures should be a warning sign to personalities like yours, but you have probably never thought about such things. No criminal mind has the conceptual framework to think about what it means to set up systems where due procedure and laws have precedence over revenge and hatred -- that is what differentiates the criminal mind from the law-abiding citizen who understands on an emotional and fairly direct level that justice does not entail vendettas against people some insane stalker like you simply do not like. Cultures that thrive on hatred and revenge have yet to develop legal systems that protect individual freedom, too, and I don't think they will. Some cultures are just too evil to evolve the concepts of freedom and rights. And you belong to such a culture. Society rests on the fundamental premise that even if we do not agree on the concrete values, we agree that it is wrong to smear people, destroy property, and kill over our differences. Those who do not agree with this, and you do not, Marcus G. Daniels, are a danger to any society of law and justice. You belong in a lawless society where it would be perfectly legitimate to kill you for your disrespect, and you are a sad and pathetic misfit in a society based on law. I doubt that you can change that part of your personality and therefore your disrespect must not be tolerated at _any_ time. If you keep up the apology of your past evil ways and actually manage to stay "clinical and unemotional" remains to be seen, of course, but I'm always happy to see even the vilest, most reprehensible, most disgusting piece of shit turn around and change his behavior in the future. It does not change the past and I do not believe in forgiving, but as long as you do not relapse, I have no reason to continue to think of you in the ways and terms you deserve for that past. I do not, however, think you have the mental ability to understand that by your own admission, you do not extend this _resepct_ towards me, which makes the evil of your past unforgivable to those who have a concept of forgiveness. In other words, since I believe your mind has serious problems in accepting input that does not fir your preconceptions, you can never be tolerated for what _you_ do, so just do something else. Start now. #:Erik -- "When you are having a bad day and it seems like everybody is trying to piss you off, remember that it takes 42 muscles to produce a frown, but only 4 muscles to work the trigger of a good sniper rifle." -- Unknown